Section 59 :: Explained

[.Matt]

Tactical maybe you can help lol, i got a £30 fine for parking under bobbing bridge when it was raining a while back now, i see lorries and other cars there parked all the time and i might add there is a drop kurb there. So the officer fined us for "Driving offroad" and when we contested about the drop kurb he then changed it to crossing a path; and then i suggested so im not allowed to cross a path to access my drive which i think slighly wound him up as i was not intentionally disproving what he was fining me for. Any ideas or know if this is infact illegal to park there etc or was i suppos eto be given a warning first or something.

[dragon2309]

Originally Posted by .Matt

Tactical maybe you can help lol, i got a £30 fine for parking under bobbing bridge when it was raining a while back now, i see lorries and other cars there parked all the time and i might add there is a drop kurb there. So the officer fined us for "Driving offroad" and when we contested about the drop kurb he then changed it to crossing a path; and then i suggested so im not allowed to cross a path to access my drive which i think slighly wound him up as i was not intentionally disproving what he was fining me for. Any ideas or know if this is infact illegal to park there etc or was i suppos eto be given a warning first or something.

any markings or lines on the road? double yellow's? any parking signs?

how far on the pavement where you?

[.Matt]

there are no markings to suggest no parking no double lines or single lines nothing of that sort and was about a meter from the pavement same distance my car would be if parked on the drive, what made me laugh was to stop us going anywhere he parked in front of us on the pavement and a elderly lady had to walk in the roundabout to go round his police car

forgot to say, wasnt parked on the pavment at all

[PeterVV]

This seems failrly common sense to me. I would guess that Mcdeathburger would probably attract a "certain clientel" a high percentage of younger divers which would naturally man more newer and possibly less careful drivers. ( Not having a pop at anyone here, and yes I am an old fart ).
Basically no-one wants to be next to a doughnut pulling doughnuts in a car park when you got young kids in the car.

[.Matt]

Yea but the way they are treating it as is every car with alloys and exhaust is a boy racer and they are careless, where as thats just mainly idiots who are careless some of us are geniune safe and take care in our driving. its becoming steriotypical of police , no offence but are they that good at there job that there are no more real criminals to catch.

[Tactical]

Matt, you boys still up around Bobbing? If so I'll come see you this week and have a chin wag

[.Matt]

We not often up there anymore, they have installed camera that check how long you there for, were usually down by mill way behind kfc now; i know exciting

[Tactical]

I know where ya mean - I'll keep my eyes peeled

[Junior Bear]

does a section 59 have to be issued there and then?


my dad rang me yesterday saying the police have been round, and are looking for me, and im to get a s59.

i thought they had to be issued to you there and then, surely they cant just come round and give you one? i dont even know why im getting one

[Hardcore]

Originally Posted by Tactical

Section 59 of the Police Reform Act 2002

2. Driving off-road

This applies to driving off-road on public property AND driving on private land without permission. It also carries the above "alarm, distress or annoyance" clause, but as I previously said, this isn't hard to prove.

Relevant part of Section 59: Section 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 - Driving elsewhere other than a road.

Advice: don't go around driving off-road like a prat (unless you have permission to!)

[/center]

Just a few quick questions on this.

What if you are driving on private land, with permission...i.e a field or something similar and you're pulling handbrake skids and donuts?
Can you be issued with a section 59 even if you do have permission to be on the land?

When you reffer to section 34, driving elsewhere other than a road, is this for private land as well or just public land?

If you're just driving on private land, then you state that unless you have permission from the land owner you can recieve a section 59, but how would they prove you don't have permission. By your words they can only issue it without permission, so they would have to prove you don't have permission first?

Sorry to sound pedantic, but where in live there is lots of private land all around me. We usually take 4x4's on it and motorbikes on it to thrash. The last time the land owner was around he said verbally he didn't mind, but that was a good few years ago.

[Tactical]

Originally Posted by Junior Bear

does a section 59 have to be issued there and then?


my dad rang me yesterday saying the police have been round, and are looking for me, and im to get a s59.

i thought they had to be issued to you there and then, surely they cant just come round and give you one? i dont even know why im getting one

No, it doesn't have to be issued there and then - I've had cars speed off from me, so it's impossible to issue the warning. Just because you drive off, doesn't mean you get away with it.

Originally Posted by Hardcore

Just a few quick questions on this.

What if you are driving on private land, with permission...i.e a field or something similar and you're pulling handbrake skids and donuts?
Can you be issued with a section 59 even if you do have permission to be on the land?

When you reffer to section 34, driving elsewhere other than a road, is this for private land as well or just public land?

If you're just driving on private land, then you state that unless you have permission from the land owner you can recieve a section 59, but how would they prove you don't have permission. By your words they can only issue it without permission, so they would have to prove you don't have permission first?

Sorry to sound pedantic, but where in live there is lots of private land all around me. We usually take 4x4's on it and motorbikes on it to thrash. The last time the land owner was around he said verbally he didn't mind, but that was a good few years ago.

If you have permission, it's fine, BUT it's down to you to prove you have permission. If you're driving around, make sure you have the land owner's contact details with you.

[stillbroke10]

today i had my court case involving my motorbike that i was fixing up new carb etc im disqual and didnt drive it the filth come along while its parked its taxed and tested they seized it and arrested me went court today just escaped prison as there so called witnesses didnt wanna show up i got a further ban of 12 months 500 pound fine and a tag for a week how is this fair ?????

[Vegas]

It's not fir but calling them "the filth" is pathetic

[stillbroke10]

whys that pathetic then im losing my job as my licence is my livelihood just because they think i did the crime which is ******** how would you feel then? i cant complete either one of my projects now let alone try and get insured what would you call them then? my mum got assaulted the other day on the estate where she lives what happened nothin! a 42 year old chucked a bottle in her face what did they do nothing i am well justified to call them filth put yourself in my shoes just for a second and tell me you wouldnt be pissed off

[Tactical]

And what has any of that got to do with Section 59?

Back on topic please.

[Diamonds]

if you were already disqualified, how would this case mean you get sacked if driving is your livelihood :???:

[stillbroke10]

ban was finished but at the time i was disqual someone reported me again so basically ended one started another

[stillbroke10]

ban was finished but at the time i was disqual someone reported me again so basically ended one started another

[lodgey]

Originally Posted by stillbroke10

ban was finished but at the time i was disqual someone reported me again so basically ended one started another

I really dont have a clue what you are on about, so you were driving when you shouldnt of been driving and you have been on a continuous ban? But yet you stalled in front of a copper...

Originally Posted by stillbroke10

hi im new new here right down to buisness my car keeps jerking at all speeds i dont know what it is and why its doing it the other day on the complete random i stalled right in front of a copper which wasnt helpful as he nearly pranged me i thought it was me but it wasnt it, as i was approaching another set of lights i went down to first from second and it did it again someone please explain as i dont know if this is the start of something big ps i have a 1.4 sport 16 valve many thanks sean

My guess is you were doing something you shouldnt of been therefore you got banned again...

[Diamonds]

ooooh the plot thickens!